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Episode 84
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Author:  brynden [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:44 am ]
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Started good - still listening.
Author:  Buzzwoody [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:48 am ]
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I wonder how many more "... beyond the wall" podcast titles Amin has in him.
Author:  linecom1 [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:15 am ]
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great guest this week......good stuff from kyle as well! i think its hilarious how much the guest clearly loved the first 3 books and yet disliked the last 2 so much that he couldnt even finish adwd yet?? wow.........thats unthinkable for me..........plot development or not you're still in westros bro.......u dont wanna read more really?? talk about a love/hate relationship

oh well......thanks for the episode
Author:  Bina007 [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:23 am ]
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Great episode, but I have to say that I was shocked that someone who is seen as enough of a close-reader and expert on ASOIAF to write an essay on it for a book needs to have his memory refreshed on R+L=J!.....

....also now further along in the podcast and shocked that he hasn't finished ADWD yet, especially as Dany is a major character in his arguments in his essay!
Author:  FTWard [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:15 am ]
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Just through the first hour and I really really enjoyed the discussion.

When reading the article, I thought that Mr. Hartinger's definition of outcast was too broad and inconsistent (maybe necessarily) for my taste. But I found him during the interview to be very engaging and persuasive. Really good interesting stuff.

Also - KYLE F'N ROCKED IT THIS EPISODE!
Author:  GuiRodr [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:52 pm ]
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Probably my favorite after-show to date. I was busting a gut laughing at work…. "Yahweh" (heh)

Also, the most frustrating after-show... Some serious "man-woody" blocking from the editing department....

I really like these "Beyond the Wall" discussions. Kyle really did a great job keeping the conversation going.
Author:  ShadowStalker [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:24 pm ]
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The aftershow editing was just cruel... Loved it.

Spoiler: show
Was I reading between the lines enough to hear that you guys are possibly getting an actor from the show as a guest... My mind is racing with the possibilities...
Author:  Amin [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:33 pm ]
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ShadowStalker wrote:
The aftershow editing was just cruel... Loved it.

My mind is racing with the possibilities...


That was the point :twisted: I thought it would be cool to leave snippets in there rather than a full editing out, to see the reaction and interpretation from listeners dedicated enough to listen to the aftershow :mrgreen:

By the way everyone, if you enjoyed this episode or one of our episodes where we interview someone, if it is not too much trouble please post a short comment on the main page. It helps to have some more comments there as people look at our past interviews on the main page when considering accepting an invitation to guest host with our podcast.
Author:  FTWard [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:09 pm ]
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ShadowStalker wrote:
The aftershow editing was just cruel... Loved it.

Spoiler: show
Was I reading between the lines enough to hear that you guys are possibly getting an actor from the show as a guest... My mind is racing with the possibilities...



Spoiler: show
Hodor?
Author:  linecom1 [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:32 pm ]
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it would be awesome if they got ros/esme bianco on........she prob gets alot of the flak for her character when its really imo more the fault of the show runners and writers.........
Author:  brynden [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:52 am ]
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Here my comment - first the one I also posted on the webpage.

myself wrote:
Hi,
I really liked the episode and think Mr. Hardinger was a great guest. The interview was great.

I have to add that I disagree with him, that Dany is the stereotypical fantasy hero because Jon does fit much better into the pattern (male, lordling, banned/banished, secret parentage).

And I really would advise to finish ADWD. Although it might not fulfill every expectation it is still better than AFFC. An “expert” should have read that one (and the TotH-essays with all theories – especially about Jon’s parents).

Thank you again.


And then I wanted to add:
- Great interview. Ashley - don't be frustrated, interviewing seems easy but is really hard.

- Behind the creaking door - that was cruel :twisted: (and I don't think Amin talked about Hodor the first times. Because Kyle said something about: "We can get CREEEAK every time now, but wait, he'll start to film again." We all know Kyle knows Kristian - so I'm pretty sure he talked about Hodor.). That was really twisted, but I like it.

- AND: I like it when you put the start of the episode at the end, its always a WTF-moment in terms of: "Wait, this is the start again, but I think I have missed that part..."
Author:  Lex [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:53 am ]
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linecom1 wrote:
great guest this week......good stuff from kyle as well! i think its hilarious how much the guest clearly loved the first 3 books and yet disliked the last 2 so much that he couldnt even finish adwd yet?? wow.........thats unthinkable for me..........plot development or not you're still in westros bro.......u dont wanna read more really?? talk about a love/hate relationship

oh well......thanks for the episode

I actually have 3 or 4 friends who started the series within the last year, enjoyed the first three books, but gave up somewhere on either book 4 or 5.

I think the sheer amount of characters and places, plus less action overall, is just a bit too much for some people. Especially the more casual readers.
Author:  linecom1 [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:05 am ]
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Lex wrote:
linecom1 wrote:
great guest this week......good stuff from kyle as well! i think its hilarious how much the guest clearly loved the first 3 books and yet disliked the last 2 so much that he couldnt even finish adwd yet?? wow.........thats unthinkable for me..........plot development or not you're still in westros bro.......u dont wanna read more really?? talk about a love/hate relationship

oh well......thanks for the episode

I actually have 3 or 4 friends who started the series within the last year, enjoyed the first three books, but gave up somewhere on either book 4 or 5.

I think the sheer amount of characters and places, plus less action overall, is just a bit too much for some people. Especially the more casual readers.



good point about casual readers.......but this guy wrote a published essay about the series, and appeared as a guest host on a podcast devoted to that series to discuss it........not sure if he counts as a "casual" reader......
Author:  Alys Karstark [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:24 am ]
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Amin wrote:
By the way everyone, if you enjoyed this episode or one of our episodes where we interview someone, if it is not too much trouble please post a short comment on the main page. It helps to have some more comments there as people look at our past interviews on the main page when considering accepting an invitation to guest host with our podcast.


Just left a comment for Episode 83, and will do the same for Episode 84 as soon as I finish it. :) I'm loving these Ranging Beyond the Wall discussions! Amin, Kyle, Ashley (and Mimi, when she's able to join) - how do you manage to be so good at both literary criticism and dick jokes?!?!?!
Author:  Ashley [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:06 am ]
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personally, I blame sexual repression. 8-)
Author:  IceCap [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:36 am ]
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As an English Major, I loved this. I have had countless discussions on "others" and it was pretty cool to hear that kind of discussion on a series that I read completely outside of school work.
Author:  gsdg [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:38 pm ]
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Lex wrote:
linecom1 wrote:
great guest this week......good stuff from kyle as well! i think its hilarious how much the guest clearly loved the first 3 books and yet disliked the last 2 so much that he couldnt even finish adwd yet?? wow.........thats unthinkable for me..........plot development or not you're still in westros bro.......u dont wanna read more really?? talk about a love/hate relationship

oh well......thanks for the episode

I actually have 3 or 4 friends who started the series within the last year, enjoyed the first three books, but gave up somewhere on either book 4 or 5.

I think the sheer amount of characters and places, plus less action overall, is just a bit too much for some people. Especially the more casual readers.

Yeah, my dad got kind of tired of the story by book 4 (he's also very frustrated with the Wheel of Time) - between that and the wait for Dance, he didn't bother reading book 5 until this spring.


brynden wrote:
Here my comment - first the one I also posted on the webpage.

myself wrote:
Hi,
I really liked the episode and think Mr. Hardinger was a great guest. The interview was great.

I have to add that I disagree with him, that Dany is the stereotypical fantasy hero because Jon does fit much better into the pattern (male, lordling, banned/banished, secret parentage).


I think the only thing more stereotypical than either of them would be them ending up on the throne together, one of them wielding Lightbringer. :?

Unless GRRM pulled it off in a really surprising manner.



I also disagree with Mr. Hardinger about the prophecies: I don't think there has to be any sort of payoff, because he'd then be subverting the expectations of the audience.
Author:  jed o'white hart [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:20 am ]
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very enjoyable episode, good guest and interesting discussion. I have to agree I found it odd that your man hadn't finished the series, surely you need all the evidence before drawing conclusions? While I found "feast" a little slow compared to the first 3 , it was still good, and I thought "dance" was right back to top form. Loved the creaking teasers, you little rascals :D
Author:  melinapendulum [ Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:16 am ]
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I adored this episode. English major boner the entire time!
Author:  rpawson [ Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:44 am ]
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"Yahweh" as a an anime sub-genre might be just about the single best thing to ever come from this podcast.

Also, perhaps the community should get a kickstarter going so we can get keaton suits or snuggies or whatever for Amin and Kyle.
Author:  Kyle [ Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:29 am ]
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rpawson wrote:
Also, perhaps the community should get a kickstarter going so we can get keaton suits or snuggies or whatever for Amin and Kyle.


Someone wants to give me a snuggie? Score! I'm all in.
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