A Podcast Of Ice and Fire :: View topic - Episode 104

Lady_Grey wrote:

About George's Cameo... I don't think it will be in the red wedding. He said he wanted to but wasn't able to make it to Ireland. I heard the bear pit was filmed in LA, so there's a good chance he'll be in that.

ShadowStalker wrote:

Lady_Grey wrote:

George's cameo is for Season 4. Most likely it will be part of the Purple Wedding. He wasn't on set for filming this season. I think he was in Europe in July but filming didn't start until late August/September.

Regarding Melisandre and where she is going -

Spoiler: show

walros wrote:

Kyle, it's called dismount, not demount. ^^

Skywaltzer wrote:

I had another theory for why pod didn't have to pay but I can't remember what it was. Something about little finger paying him off for information or something. Turn around on this episode was pretty great.

Ashley wrote:

Mimi's working on catching up so that she can rejoin us. However we have this problem that Kyle, Mimi, and I will never all be able to record at the same time, unless we wait till the following weekend... Amin has magic so he's good. I can record evening and morning, Kyle can record morning and night, Mimi can record evening and night. So, yeah.

Skywaltzer wrote:

portoanthony wrote:

Why did u guys change the format for this ep? For the other 2 eps this season u guys reviewed the show by character now u guys are back to scene by scene? How come?

Kyle wrote:

portoanthony wrote:

Why did u guys change the format for this ep? For the other 2 eps this season u guys reviewed the show by character now u guys are back to scene by scene? How come?

Except for the 2 Jamie/Brienne scenes I thought we did discuss based on character not scene.

Adriene wrote:

Immediately before Stannis says he wants another son, he says he wants Joffrey and Robb dead, so the implication is that he wants another shadow baby to kill his enemies. Not for pushing on a swing.

Adriene wrote:

Regarding the end credits music: I liked the idea of juxtaposing

a tense and shocking scene with loud, upbeat music. It's kind of a catharsis after the hand chop. What i didn't like was that it was modern punk/rock music with electric guitars and drum sets. It took me out of the story to much. I wish they'd been able to achieve that juxtaposition with a musical choice that sounded like it was actually from Westeros. Especially since it was a song from the books.

Ashley wrote:

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And Blackfish may have been mean or even a douche to Edmure, but he was not a douche at the funeral.

KCenturion wrote:

Don't forget that Edmure ordered Helman Tallhart to leave the Twins (and Frey to his own devices) and Roose Bolton to move south to take Harrenhal after Tywin had started marching west to stop his retreat. The "hold Riverrun" order was clearly Robb's fault for not being clearer but Edmure was at fault by moving the pieces around the board without Robb's permission. I'm surprised Robb/Brynden didn't grill him on that either.

But isn't there a theory that Robb/Brynden didn't have a fool-proof plan to defeat Tywin in the west and they blamed Edmure to knock his confidence and then they used the situation to blackmail him into marrying a Frey? I think Stefan mentioned it in one of his anti-Blackfish essays but I may just be generalising.

Anyway, funny episode guys. Good work!

Author:	brynden [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:06 am ]
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Two episodes at once - awesome. Discuss.

Author:	walros [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:51 am ]
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Kyle, it's called dismount, not demount. ^^

Author:	Lady_Grey [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:29 am ]
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About George's Cameo... I don't think it will be in the red wedding. He said he wanted to but wasn't able to make it to Ireland. I heard the bear pit was filmed in LA, so there's a good chance he'll be in that.

Author:	ShadowStalker [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:19 am ]
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Lady_Grey wrote: About George's Cameo... I don't think it will be in the red wedding. He said he wanted to but wasn't able to make it to Ireland. I heard the bear pit was filmed in LA, so there's a good chance he'll be in that. George's cameo is for Season 4. Most likely it will be part of the Purple Wedding. He wasn't on set for filming this season. I think he was in Europe in July but filming didn't start until late August/September. Regarding Melisandre and where she is going - Spoiler: show She is going to the Riverlands (with her LF patented teleporter) and she speaks with Gendry. It was in one of the leaked HBO episode synopses. http://winteriscoming.net/2013/04/synop ... -revealed/

Author:	LordManderBlee [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:06 am ]
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ShadowStalker wrote: Lady_Grey wrote: About George's Cameo... I don't think it will be in the red wedding. He said he wanted to but wasn't able to make it to Ireland. I heard the bear pit was filmed in LA, so there's a good chance he'll be in that. George's cameo is for Season 4. Most likely it will be part of the Purple Wedding. He wasn't on set for filming this season. I think he was in Europe in July but filming didn't start until late August/September. Regarding Melisandre and where she is going - Spoiler: show She is going to the Riverlands (with her LF patented teleporter) and she speaks with Gendry. It was in one of the leaked HBO episode synopses. http://winteriscoming.net/2013/04/synop ... -revealed/ Well at least he'll find out who his dad was!

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Author:	smilingjim [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:17 am ]
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The episodes came in such quick sucsession i didn't even realise there had been two untill i looked on my ipod and noticed an "episode 103" shaped gap in there. I hadn't noticed all the "fandom only" in jokes so thanks for pointing those out, meereenese knot being the best.

Author:	Lady_Grey [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:56 am ]
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@Ashley, I thought Edmure got it on the third try too! looked it up while listening and after three fails he actually handed the bow to Brynden, making it a lot more gracious and cordial than what was on screen.

Author:	Kyle [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:03 pm ]
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walros wrote: Kyle, it's called dismount, not demount. ^^ facepalm

Author:	Skywaltzer [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:24 pm ]
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I had another theory for why pod didn't have to pay but I can't remember what it was. Something about little finger paying him off for information or something. Turn around on this episode was pretty great. Great episode though.

Author:	Belwas [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:53 pm ]
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As someone already said, George's cameo is in season 4, as part of the shooting in Dubrovnik. So most likely Kings Landing scene. So, is Mimi like forever and ever staying out of the show related episodes? As much as i disagree with her, i do enjoy her tableflipping.

Author:	Alias [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:02 pm ]
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I get the sense that if they tried to work around Mimi's schedule, they would never get a chance to record, at least not nearly as quickly as they do.

Author:	Kadayi [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:38 pm ]
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Skywaltzer wrote: I had another theory for why pod didn't have to pay but I can't remember what it was. Something about little finger paying him off for information or something. Turn around on this episode was pretty great. I thought maybe Littlefinger threw it as Freebie for Pod as a favour to Tyrion for getting Ros off the hook with the queen. Varys might be right that Littlefinger just sees Ros an a series of profitable holes, but I also think he places some value on her as his madame.

Author:	Ashley [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:11 pm ]
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Mimi's working on catching up so that she can rejoin us. However we have this problem that Kyle, Mimi, and I will never all be able to record at the same time, unless we wait till the following weekend... Amin has magic so he's good. I can record evening and morning, Kyle can record morning and night, Mimi can record evening and night. So, yeah.

Author:	Valyrian Neil [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:28 pm ]
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Ashley wrote: Mimi's working on catching up so that she can rejoin us. However we have this problem that Kyle, Mimi, and I will never all be able to record at the same time, unless we wait till the following weekend... Amin has magic so he's good. I can record evening and morning, Kyle can record morning and night, Mimi can record evening and night. So, yeah. Look forward to Mimi's take on the show. I wonder if she'll start to like it.

Author:	Shellfish [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:48 am ]
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Thanks guys, good episode. This part really cracked my up: Ashley: What were those kids doing with the Mountain? *beat* Kyle: Oh God.

Author:	brynden [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:07 am ]
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I have to say you present the happenings in the book regarding Robb's order to Edmure not exactly correct: As far as I remember does Robb say that he told him to "stay in Riverrun". But we can assume that he did not give any advanced orders like "and let the westeners through". Because even though Edmure is inexperienced, he is not stupid and would not ignore a direct command of his king - insubordination is a big crime - especially in wartimes. And while Robb meant it how he said it, Edmure took "stay in Riverrun / hold Riverrun" as "take care of / hold Riverrun and the Riverlands". And that is not so wrong - Ned told Catelyn in AGOT to "stay in Winterfell with Robb" and meant "rule the North in my stead". So Edmure decided to protect his people (and hold every enemy out of the Riverlands) and thought he stood true to the command - it was finally Robb's fault that not all of his commanders understood his plans, especially if it could be made clearer easily. Edmure did lots of things not as good as he may be could ultimately have done it - but this is not his fault. And the Blackfish is a duche to Edmure - also in the books. And that is not really understandable (normally I like the Blackfish, but here he is very unfair). Regarding the banker: I thought it is the same guy. But awoiaf proves me wrong: In AFFC it is Noho Dimittis, in ADWD it is Tycho Nestoris BTW: Good episode - I want to especially point out the good audio-quality.

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Author:	portoanthony [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:55 pm ]
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Why did u guys change the format for this ep? For the other 2 eps this season u guys reviewed the show by character now u guys are back to scene by scene? How come?

Author:	jesicka309 [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:06 pm ]
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Skywaltzer wrote: I had another theory for why pod didn't have to pay but I can't remember what it was. Something about little finger paying him off for information or something. Turn around on this episode was pretty great. Great episode though. Haha I love the idea of Littlefinger being like "This one's on me, Podrick. Just remember who paid for your first session with the whores." And Pod being all "Gee, thanks mister!" and walking away whistling, thinking that Mr Littlefinger is sure nice, and telling Tyrion everything. Doy.

Author:	Amin [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:32 pm ]
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Skywaltzer wrote: I had another theory for why pod didn't have to pay but I can't remember what it was. Something about little finger paying him off for information or something. Turn around on this episode was pretty great. Great episode though. Yeah theory #2 mentioned in the episode. Kind of fits in with Littlefinger noticing Pod is in a trusted position with Tyrion Watching that LF/Tyrion exchange again, I found it interesting when they talk about whether the Master of Coin had the power to get someone knighted. First time I watched it I thought, well, they could just ask Bronn to do it. But I kind of feel that it is referring to Littlefinger, who may have gotten (through bribes, etc) Ser Mandon Moore appointed as a knight of the Kingsguard. I think I may be giving the writers too much credit here though.

Author:	Kyle [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:05 am ]
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portoanthony wrote: Why did u guys change the format for this ep? For the other 2 eps this season u guys reviewed the show by character now u guys are back to scene by scene? How come? Except for the 2 Jamie/Brienne scenes I thought we did discuss based on character not scene.

Author:	portoanthony [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:11 am ]
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Kyle wrote: portoanthony wrote: Why did u guys change the format for this ep? For the other 2 eps this season u guys reviewed the show by character now u guys are back to scene by scene? How come? Except for the 2 Jamie/Brienne scenes I thought we did discuss based on character not scene. Never mind i think it was just that one you're right.

Author:	Adriene [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:52 am ]
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Immediately before Stannis says he wants another son, he says he wants Joffrey and Robb dead, so the implication is that he wants another shadow baby to kill his enemies. Not for pushing on a swing.

Author:	Adriene [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:31 am ]
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Regarding the end credits music: I liked the idea of juxtaposing a tense and shocking scene with loud, upbeat music. It's kind of a catharsis after the hand chop. What i didn't like was that it was modern punk/rock music with electric guitars and drum sets. It took me out of the story to much. I wish they'd been able to achieve that juxtaposition with a musical choice that sounded like it was actually from Westeros. Especially since it was a song from the books.

Author:	Lady_Grey [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:50 am ]
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Adriene wrote: Immediately before Stannis says he wants another son, he says he wants Joffrey and Robb dead, so the implication is that he wants another shadow baby to kill his enemies. Not for pushing on a swing. Still would make a great picture Adriene wrote: Regarding the end credits music: I liked the idea of juxtaposing a tense and shocking scene with loud, upbeat music. It's kind of a catharsis after the hand chop. What i didn't like was that it was modern punk/rock music with electric guitars and drum sets. It took me out of the story to much. I wish they'd been able to achieve that juxtaposition with a musical choice that sounded like it was actually from Westeros. Especially since it was a song from the books. maybe that's what it needed. I thought it was lacking something too.

Author:	ShadowStalker [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:39 am ]
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Ashley wrote: Mimi's working on catching up so that she can rejoin us. However we have this problem that Kyle, Mimi, and I will never all be able to record at the same time, unless we wait till the following weekend... Amin has magic so he's good. I can record evening and morning, Kyle can record morning and night, Mimi can record evening and night. So, yeah. So if we get Mimi, we don't get Ashley...

Author:	brynden [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:42 am ]
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But we need Ashley

Author:	Amin [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:49 am ]
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At the pace Mimi is watching, I would guess that she won't be caught up to us in time. Unless she starts to enjoy the series again and burn through episodes (which might happen after she sees blackwater). I agreed, it was ultimately Robb's fault as commander. And Blackfish may have been mean or even a douche to Edmure, but he was not a douche at the funeral.

Author:	KCenturion [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:46 am ]
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Don't forget that Edmure ordered Helman Tallhart to leave the Twins (and Frey to his own devices) and Roose Bolton to move south to take Harrenhal after Tywin had started marching west to stop his retreat. The "hold Riverrun" order was clearly Robb's fault for not being clearer but Edmure was at fault by moving the pieces around the board without Robb's permission. I'm surprised Robb/Brynden didn't grill him on that either. But isn't there a theory that Robb/Brynden didn't have a fool-proof plan to defeat Tywin in the west and they blamed Edmure to knock his confidence and then they used the situation to blackmail him into marrying a Frey? I think Stefan mentioned it in one of his anti-Blackfish essays but I may just be generalising. Anyway, funny episode guys. Good work!

Author:	witless chum [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:56 am ]
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Quote: And Blackfish may have been mean or even a douche to Edmure, but he was not a douche at the funeral. Yeah, the Blackfish scene made my table nervous as all hell. If they want to make the character a douche for the show, fine, but the idea that anyone would get away with treating the Lord of Riverrun that way in public, uncle or no, is ridiculous. That shit don't fly in a medievel honor culture, not even a bit.