good episode. if you ever need a step in for hosting: try to get fabio. great chemistry and dickjokes with the two guests. i almost spit my coffee when ashley, amin and fabio talked about casting in underwear/naked.

again: ashley is dropping the knowledge bombs (grandmaester is a title from the citadel, ghost helped jon)

kyle - are you not afraid tha all sansan-fanatics come after you and burn your house?

Holy Fuckballs! That's awesome!

just rewatched S1E2 and Doreah tells Dany she's met a trader from Qarth before ..... interesting very interesting
Xaro Daxos and Doreah rekindle their romance in S2

Great podcast. But I have a question... my episode downloaded automatically from iTunes and is 2 hrs, 18 minutes. It seems like it ends abruptly, right before the after-show discussion. Was this an iTunes problem of some sort? It seemed like Amin, Kyle, Ashley and Phil maybe were about to record an aftershow but then it just ended. How long was the version of the podcast that you all listened to?
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Aftershows will be whatever is after the music that plays at the end of the main episode. The music at the end will vary per week, but once you hear music there, you know the aftershow is coming.

The aftershow is often composed of multiple recorded files and not everything was actually recorded afterwards. Part of it is usually what came immediately after we stopped recording the main show. Sometimes I throw in, at the very end of the episode, the chat that we had *before* we recorded the main episode. That is why it seems like we repeated talking about stuff (like the bok podcast, etc).

The stuff at the very end of this episode (~2hr:13 to the end which is ~2hr:18) is the chat we had before recording the main episode, ending with us deciding to have Ashley read the intro for the first time and us making those jokes right before she read the intro to the podcast (you are listening...).

Aftershows can be confusing, but they are aftershows: they are meant to be informal, minimally edited, etc. The main show is what counts, the aftershow is just a bonus.

Very kind of you to reply. I am happy to know I didn't miss anything. I enjoy every minute of the podcast and only wish I had discovered it last season. Looking forward to Season 3 with you guys,
C.B.

The Intro had me rolling and it was great all the way through. Awesome!

Still pissed about the lack of House of Undying nerd rage. We need Mimi back to flip a table. Nobody besides FaBio was really mad about that scene and he had already calmed himself down in regards to it.

For some reason this popped into my mind when you were talking about Ducksauce eating Doreah.


Did you guys record another episode of APOIAF this week? I ask because Amin asked Ashley if she was up for recording tomorrow.

Ros is Bilbo! lol

@Kyle: Pyat Pree may have his magic but he is NO MADROX!!

Just finished the valar podcast-may have skipped a few parts as it was over a few commutes.

Solid podcast! House Gatewatch and House Manwoody together? Money. Love the insights, it's a great listen, as if you guys are reviewing the show in the backseat as I'm driving to and from work.

Just shooting from the hip-
agree 100% with Kyle as far as his summary on season 2. Just love that we have a series to talk about and any deviation from the books is just shrugged off because we get this great series on screen. Enjoying the ride.

Most critiques echo my own, time constraints are the main reasons the series are not meeting full expectations, nothing new here.

I did like the comment made about pycelle flipping a coin and making reference to tyrion's coinflipping to the whore, that pycelle wasn't there to witness it was completely overlooked by me.

regarding Larry (he completely bounced back with his latest review, imo) most sane people don't expect him to be a wealth of knowledge. As some of you pointed out, his charm is that his reactions to the show are fresh and 'unspoiled'. When he goes off on a tangent trying to please or respond to his haters is when we lose this quality. It's like when I ask my friends their thoughts on the show..I'm trying to gauge how effective the show is portraying the story to a non book reader and enjoy their farfetched takes on what they think is going to happen. Let your imagination run wild, its fun to hear their predictions on upcoming events. I fondly remember those innocent times when I thought Ned was gonna make it. Anyways, keep doing you, Larry. It's the reason we tune into otakuassemble.

Same applies to Ashley. As a listener, I always felt that Ashley would rather defer the spotlight to others. She is starting to find her voice, and her opinions are great! Keep it up, it's nice to hear her voice vs all the dudes.

Same also applied to Mimi (when she used to podcast) she kinda dropped a bit when she was pining over her ex? Recent podcast, she became the true badass that started this entire thing. Much better to hear.

Anyways, always good to hear the guys from wic.net in the podcast, the best of both worlds combined. (Im 'WhereTheWildlings/RickonsAre, apologies to anyone who already used this name)

I may not agree with all the ratings on the finale (I gave it a 5/5) but found the differing opinions interesting.

Without gushing too much, the only criticism I have on your podcasts is the same with the HBO series...not long enough! Good work and thanks

Also, I may be confusing series (memory failing me is nothing new ) but isn't the reason the Other didn't attack Sam is because Sam wasnt armed? At least that is what I told this non book reader when she asked why Sam survived.

Anyone know the right answer?

The WW was obviously Gilly's brother.

good discussion from everyone. the wic guys are always good when they come on, and its cool to hear that fabio keeps up with the podcast as well.

When can we expect to be able to download this episode on itunes? I still have 6 episodes to go before I catch all the way up, just curious.

i have to disagree with Amin about the "strict northern justice" the men Brienne killed were supposedly giving those women.

That was butchery.

I had to read that sentence 3 times before I realized you thought I was talking about the women I was referring to Brienne's actions as possibly qualifying as "strict northern justice", not the men.

Okay. Because that's not how it sounded.

Well I'm glad you brought it up because I certainly don't want that to be the way it was interpreted. Whenabouts was this line? (I remember that I said those lines as part of a stream of thought to say that Brienne's actions were a symptom of the psycho pills everyone was taking that episode, but still better than the fate Dany condembed Doreah too.)

It's at 32:58.

Ah, I see how you definitely could have interpreted it that way, especially on its own.

Stream of thought was started at 32:34 (paraphrase, not exact quotes)
Kyle - Is Brienne really this bloodthirsty? Was because they were making fun of her? It seemed a little out of character.
Ashley - It was the violence against women thing that probably motivated Brienne's actions
Amin - Yeah (agreeing with Ashley). [Brienne's] actions are harsh northern justice, but still better than what Dany did at the end, which we'll get into

[which I did get into later in the episode, though mostly a minority view on Dany's actions: Brienne's actions were (1) more proportional to the crime (they made the women suffer, she made the guy suffer longer, though probably still a fraction of what the women suffered and (2) the crime was more proven, as they admitted doing what they did, whereas we didn't get the full details on the Doreah thing (and other are having a Poe fight over the Doreah details in the other forum right now )

Great as usual.

One thing I have noticed with Mimi gone, Ashley is a wealth of knowledge, and is speaking her mind a lot more. Go Ashley!

What is the deleted scene (a flashback or vision) that was briefly mentioned? Is it up on YouTube?

I think Lex posted it in the chat box.

Apparently, they filmed a flashback for Season 1 which showed Brandon Stark being strangled in the throne room (with Mad King Aerys in the background). A single frame of this flashback was included in one of the earliest trailers. At the time, many people (including our podcasters, I think) thought it was Ned when he gets betrayed... but apparently it's Brandon Stark.

Also, David and Dan were surprised that the fans knew about it, since it was apparently not supposed to be included in the trailer at all.

Here's a screen cap of the scene: http://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/brandon-stark.jpg:

I am waiting for someone to make a Brienne/Chewbacca pic. This is all I could think about when someone metioned Brienne being able to rip a man's arms out or his sockets.

I can't be the only one who thought of this....

Solid episode. You guys have a good chemistry with the WiC guys. Thanks for getting this one out so quickly; I have a little experience with file editing, and I know it's nowhere as easy as it might sound.

Cool, thanks.

So it seems pretty clear that that's Sean Bean in the noose, which I would interpret to mean either (i) the scene is from one of Ned's dreams (probably after the fight with Jamie) and he's dreamed himself in Brandon's place or (ii) Brandon and Ned were meant to look almost identical. (i) seems more likely, is this the consensus?

Regardless, it looks very cool (Aerys on the throne!) so I hope this makes it into the show, onto a DVD, or onto the interwebz some time in the future.

If I remember correctly: It was Bean's stunt double. It should be Brandon and not Ned. Don't know where I have that from, but I think that was confirmed.

Interesting. Good choice of stunt double then, even looking at it now I would still guess S.B. but apparently not!

On this topic of flashbacks, I noticed that both Mark Addy and Sean Bean were interviewed for behind the scenes GOT videos, sometimes they were in different costumes with different haircuts. Possibly filmed Balon Greyjoy rebellion era scenes or maybe even Robert's rebellion flashbacks?

cant find sean bean's vid right now, but see Addy here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdGntO7vi0w

LOL It's TRUE!

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My retcon is that Robb is pissed at Catelyn, so he decided to get married in her religion just to piss her off more. "I'll show you, mom! Watch me get seven married."

I like to think it's the same drunk Septon that married Tyrion and Tysha, since they're in the Westerlands. He's fallen on even harder times since then and he just wandered into their ceremony, stood between them and the tree and offered to wed in exchange for booze. Robb and Talisa felt bad, so they just let him do it and gave him a lot of wine and he lived happily ever after.

Definitely a good podcast episode.

I vote for Dany shutting Doreah and Xaro up in the vault as in character and not that extra bloodthirsty. However, the whole thing doesn't make any sense. Xaro doesn't have guards? Or so few guards that Mormont, one bloodrider and the world's oldest Dothraki can take them.

That's less senseless than the way they staged the Winterfell storyline. If they wanted to avoid discussing who burned the place, they should have cut away when Bran and Rickon leave Luwin. Osha would certainly ask. Or Luwin could have just said he didn't see what happened because he was in the Godswood by that time.