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Well, lords and ladies, the first ever OzMoot was held last night, in a comfy little cocktail bar off Spring Street, in the Melbourne CBD. Four vassals were in attendance: two Aussies (me and jesicka309), one Romanian (marius), and one Brit (Bina007). We drank blood-red wine, feasted on sausage rolls and lemoncake, shared stories and theories beneath the imaginary flag of House Manwoody... and then dispersed back into the night. I had a really amazing time, and it was so cool meeting forum members in person.

It’s a shame we couldn’t record something for the podcast, because we had a pretty long and in-depth discussion of the books. Unfortunately, the bar was too loud, and my iPhone simply wouldn’t have been able to capture anything. However, I've been wracking my brain, and here’s some of the stuff we settled on throughout the night:

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-Jaime and Sansa are the true heroes of this story, because, despite their mistakes in the early books, they are actively learning how to be good leaders in a practical, political and compassionate sense.
-Given her claim to Winterfell (through Robb), Castlerly Rock (through Tyrion), and the Eyrie (through Harrold Hardyn), Sansa will end up ruling Westeros, and what’s more, she’ll be a kind and noble queen.
-Martin wrote Arya—and Tyrion—to be everyone’s favourite character (and a bit of a Mary Sue), so that he could undermine expectations, and transform them into dark, sociopathic human beings.
-The Faceless Men are basically the League of Shadows (from Batman Begins): an order of highly-skilled shape-shifting ninjas who act as a check against all of the great powers of the world. Whenever a civilisation reaches the point of its decadence, and becomes a breeding ground for suffering and corruption, they step in to restore the balance. Like Valyria before it, King’s Landing's power is poisoning the rest of the world, so the Faceless Men are plotting to tear it down, so that it can be reformed anew.
-The Kindly Man is R’as Al Ghul, and Varys is his point-man in King’s Landing, and once the city has been scoured, Aegon Blackfyre will be installed to restore order and peace to Westeros and the Free Cities.
-Ilyrio Mopatas’ wife was a Blackfyre (the last of the female line), and so he sent Dany and Viserys off to die in the Dothraki Sea.
-Arya will be either sent to assassinate Dany (as a serving child); Tommen (as the black cat); or Sweetrobin (where she'll be reunited with Sansa).
-There are series of secret tunnels which run beneath the narrow sea from Westeros to Essos, and are used by the secret order of the merlings (NOTE: this is now canon and cannot be disputed).
-Given how much Martin draws from real medieval and classical history, can we predict future plot developments by tracking European development?
-Maybe the whole feudal system of Westeros will be overturned by a peasant revolution, possibly facilitated by the Faith Militia. Given the way the smallfolk have been treated during the war, we may see a pro-democracy movement (ala the Magna Carta), or a religious takeover (ala the Holy Roman Empire), or even a shift beyond medieval culture, and into a series of pre-modern city-states… Or perhaps the Others will just decimate everything, and regress humanity back to the stone-age.
-While initially satisfying, giving Jon and Dany a crown has actually made them less interesting, because their headspace has been completely colonised by solving external and overarching problems, and describing the physical drain of that process (rather than actual character development).
-The Dornish are entertaining but ultimately tangential and irrelevant to the plot (filling in the 5-year gap?). Unless, of course, Quentyn’s death actually spurs the Martells against the Targaryens. But who would they ally with? Cersei might make a good match, given that she is pro-female rule and has been disgraced and ousted by her own family.
-After the arrival of Queen Daenerys and the realisation that he is not Azor Ahai reborn, Stannis Baratheon will give up his claim to the Iron Throne, and become 1000th Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch.
-Rickon Stark will turn out to be a feral, unfit to rule anything, and Davos and his son will sail home to their castle in the Rainwood (after Stannis has joined the Watch).
-Sansa will accidentally give Sweetrobin a fatal dose of sweetsleep, and slip into suicidal depression, before realising that Littlefinger is behind everything, seizing power in the Eyrie, and defeating the “giant in the snow”. Also, that Littlefinger has a blindspot for her because of his creepy infatuation.
-When the powder-keg finally blows in Westeros—Dany’s landing/the Other’s attack—King’s Landing will be abandoned, and people will fall back to places like Winterfell and Casterly Rock, where their true loyalties lie.
-Greywater Watch is the only place left in the North to go, so we might see it soon (possibly in a prologue). Like Barristan, Howland Reed could be a potentially great source of information, but he won’t necessarily reveal everything. There is something great about not every little mystery being resolved, because it leaves room for rereads, different interpretations and endless speculation.
-Once the Wall is broken (possible now that Jon [aka Azor Ahai] has been killed), the Others will begin their assault on the Seven Kingdoms. Moreover, while the North will be attacked first, the magic of the Others will spill all the way south, and the thousands of slaughtered soldiers and smallfolk will rise up and attack the living. Dead Stark and dead Lannister will fight side-by-side for the Others. Will this be the thing that forces the rival families to put aside their blood-feuds and fight together?
-While the wights are bound by human biology, the Others can evaporate into cold mists, and then solidify again at any moment (e.g. Tormund: “how do you fight fog”). They are the "winds of winter" given physical form.
-Or: they are predator-like creatures who have crash-landed on Westeros, and only seek out worthy opponents (like Waymar Royce or Samwell Tarly... wait nevermind).
-Or: they are like dark elves who live in ice palaces and ride ice dragons, and drink iced coffee.
-Brienne will eventually settle down with the Hound on Quiet Isle, and find some peace.
-The series will end with Jon and Dany planting a lovely garden in the ruins of Valyria (also canon).

Anyway, it was a great night, and I loved meeting you all. Here are some photos to prove the meeting actually took place: ;)

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The original OzMoot Four – Marius, Bina, Duncan, and Jessica

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Let them eat lemoncake!

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Yay! Seems like you all had a great time. That lemoncake looks delectable. I love the theories you came up with especially Jaime/Sansa being the true heroes, FM = League of Shadows, and fog Others.

Though I'm skeptical if Jaime and Sansa's stories will end well, it would certainly suit their arcs. Fall from grace and disillusionment into a more worldly/weary person with a better understanding of the world and thus more ability to make their way in it effectively.

That also makes Arya, Batman by proxy doesn't it?

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That also makes Arya, Batman by proxy doesn't it?

Oh, hell yes! She even witnessed both of her parents get murdered.

Maybe, like Bruce, her arc will be about learning to control her rage, and seeking out justice, rather than vengeance. Oh my god, it's perfect! I'm back on the Arya fan-train.

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That also makes Arya, Batman by proxy doesn't it?

Oh, hell yes! She even witnessed both of her parents get murdered.

Maybe, like Bruce, her arc will be about learning to control her rage, and seeking out justice, rather than vengeance. Oh my god, it's perfect! I'm back on the Arya fan-train.


I'm going to be pretty upset if this doesn't happen now.

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-Sansa will accidentally give Sweetrobin a fatal dose of sweetsleep, and slip into suicidal depression, before realising that Littlefinger is behind everything, seizing power in the Eyrie, and defeating the “giant in the snow”. Also, that Littlefinger has a blindspot for her because of his creepy infatuation.


I agree with most of it, except that it'll be Littlefinger kills that little punk, Sansa thinks it was natural. Eventually, she'll find out it was LF that did it and then she'll (for some reason, I hate little sweet robin) feel the need to avenge said kid and kill LF... which I really want to happen.

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Sounds like you guys had a lot of fun. Wish I could have been there. The meeting that is, not Australia. I prefer my deadly monsters fictional.

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I'm glad you all had fun. Having attended cockney moots and now oz moot, Bina007 must hold the record for most podcast listeners met irl.

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-There are series of secret tunnels which run beneath the narrow sea from Westeros to Essos, and are used by the secret order of the merlings (NOTE: this is now canon and cannot be disputed).


While I will not dispute your canon claim, I would question why merlings would need a tunnel. Doesn't their aquatic nature make sea crossing fairly mundane and a hidden tunnel rather superfluous?


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I'm glad you all had fun. Having attended cockney moots and now oz moot, Bina007 must hold the record for most podcast listeners met irl.

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-There are series of secret tunnels which run beneath the narrow sea from Westeros to Essos, and are used by the secret order of the merlings (NOTE: this is now canon and cannot be disputed).


While I will not dispute your canon claim, I would question why merlings would need a tunnel. Doesn't their aquatic nature make sea crossing fairly mundane and a hidden tunnel rather superfluous?

Swimming is tiring. Sometimes they just like to enjoy the aquatic scenery.

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I can't believe you remembered all that!

Another interesting discussion was about Sansa's forthcoming marriage and how that will work given she's still married to Tyrion. Will LF claim T is dead? Can marriages in Westeros be annulled for non consummation just as in medieval Europe? As Marius said, there isn't any example that we can think of of another marriage in Westeros being annulled or divorced.

We also discussed what would happen to The Hound other than Marius' theory of a romance. It was a toss up between GRRM letting him have some peace and just drifting out of the story or whether he'd be brought back to somehow fight Ser Robert Strong. My preference is the former as I feel he already has closure and it's quite nice that some characters just fade out, like Gendry.


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I'm glad you all had fun. Having attended cockney moots and now oz moot, Bina007 must hold the record for most podcast listeners met irl


Mayhaps, Pod. I'm in Hong Kong the final two weeks of jan so hopping to incite a PearlMoot too.


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Sounds like it was a lot of fun. Maybe we should be doing Moots stateside!

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Fun times. Hope that lemoncake tasted as good as it looks!

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Look like u guys had a lot of fun :) i'm jealous.


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The lemon cake was SO GOOD.

Also anyone fat and bald is a merling. The tunnel is primarily used by Varys and Illyrio. Therefore merling use the tunnel.

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great job guys. looks like everyone had a good time. well done

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can we have a meetup in Melbourne when I'm there? July 7th to 9th I think. please? <3


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can we have a meetup in Melbourne when I'm there? July 7th to 9th I think. please? <3

Yeah, that sounds doable. :)

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Sounds like you guys had a lot of fun. Wish I could have been there. The meeting that is, not Australia. I prefer my deadly monsters fictional.


how can anyone not have commented on this? this is pure House Manwoody gold! :lol:

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sooooo can we meet up in Melbourne please? ^^ = D I'll be there frm the 6th (arriving about 8pm) to the 9th (leaving at 9pm I think) actually. no specific plans yet so any day works for me.


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Eesh 6th is a Sunday night! :( not sure if we will be able to do a weeknight. Any other Aussies interested in a Tuesday night meet up maybe?

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I'd be down with Tuesday the 8th, sure.

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Awesome. Tanja, pm me your hotel and ill find a bar or somewhere for us to go. :)

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= D
will do. also happy about recommendations on what else to do with my time while I'm there = P though I'd certainly figure something out


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I'm OK with any of the evenings.

If you get the same weather as we got this morning, I recommend something indoor (National Gallery of Victoria, Emporium Mall, pick your poison). When I go to a new city, I usually check wikitravel: http://wikitravel.org/en/Melbourne


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Awesome. Tanja, pm me your hotel and ill find a bar or somewhere for us to go. :)

Any luck finding a place, Jess? I imagine you've been thoroughly researching every bar within a 10km radius. ;)

There's a 24-hour cafe on the corner of Swanston and Collins street, called Cafe L'Incontro. I haven't been there, but it might be a bit quieter/comfortable than a bar.

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Damn. I've been meaning to do this but I've been slammed at work.

I'll have a look but I think your selection sounds good. I'll start a new post to organize. :)

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Bump! Please see my Ozmoot 2014 post for details and let me know of you're coming!!! :)

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