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Episode 22: Everyone’s A Targaryen

Episode 22 for the week of March 22nd, in which we embark on a new show structure, focusing on three main components: one chapter, one character, and one theory. Β This week, we kick off with chapter 46 of A Game of Thrones, discuss Doran Martell’s gout, and conclude that the “Varys is a Faceless Man” theory is entirely inconclusive.

We hope you like our new format- we changed it in light of some very good feedback in our email and comments. Β Let us know what you think, and drop us an email if you’d like to guest host for an episode.

46 Comments, Comment or Ping

  1. Daniel W

    OMG Two episodes!!!1 Downloading now!!

  2. fuckin’ sweet, two eps at once! excitement to the max once i regain consciousness.

  3. Brianna

    I love both episodes
    I too am not a fan of everyone is a Targaryen theory.
    The king and queen should have had an open relationship.
    Chase she did not try to make it work at all!
    They were nine at the time
    Doran is awsome. But it was never his POV.
    I heard a door creek
    That might be the most crazy theory ever.

  4. Chase

    I forget which chapter, but I’m pretty sure she did say that she tried to go into the marriage with an open mind. How long she kept her mind open I can’t say though.

  5. Mme. Crevette

    I personally like the Varys is a Targ theory, because it’s cool to see a Targ (if he is one…) doing something other than ruling/asking other people for advice/being totally incompetent.

  6. mimi

    gotta admit, i do agree with this.

  7. DTM

    My first thought on listening to this episode: Holy Shit it’s Amin. It’s been a while since he’s done an episode. Maybe Chris will eventually come back too (and to a lessor extent Aaron).

    My second thought is on Doran. IMO, the only reason he could even be considered a badass is due to Dany being a badass. Face it, if Dany never brought back the dragons and became a realistic threat for the Iron Throne, then all of Doran’s scheming and planning would have accomplished jackshit. Imagine if things went according to plan and Doran married off his daughter and backed Viserys’ claim to the throne. I’m sure that would have worked out really well. /sarcasm

  8. Chase

    That’s my part of my bit with Doran Martell. I think he’s the most potentially dangerous because of his intellect, the scale of his plans and more importantly his patience for the long-term solution. Whether or not his plans can actually succeed is another thing. Dany could just murder Quentin on the spot, since she has no reason to trust anyone from Westeros.

    Were it not for Dany’s dragons, though, I think he would come up with something else. Viserys is irrelevant, because he could arrange an “accident” and place Dany in the foreground.

  9. Split

    Wheels Martell as dangerous as Little Finger? No way. Aside from the fact that he’s resting all his hopes on Quentyn, he moves too slow to make any kind of waves in Westeros. The game is played bloody, but also quickly compared to Wheels and his plans.

  10. DTM

    Wanted to add: I’m not saying that Doran isn’t a player but let’s face it, he fell ass backwards into the ultimate trump card, Dany’s Dragons (assuming that Quentyn doesn’t fuck it up). If it wasn’t for that, Doran would be scheming and puttering around until his gout exploded like a ripe melon… er whatever.

  11. John

    Some discussion on the Faceless Man (FM) theory:

    Firstly, even though I was the one who brought this theory to your attention, I should start off by saying that I don’t agree with the theory at all. There is just no way GRRM would go for something like this – it is just too far-fetched and fanciful.

    Having said that, the theory does have its merits. For example, it explains why the FM helped Euron secure the throne by killing Balon – they want to use Euron and his horn to take control of the dragons and bring down the Wall. I also quite like the idea that the FM killed their original masters (the Valyrians) and were involved in the Doom of Valyria.

    But, IMO, the theory falls down badly when it asserts that Varys has stolen Qyburn’s identity (you didn’t really discuss this point in the podcast but anyway…). The problem here is that Qyburn has shown few signs of a personality change since Varys left King’s Landing. For example, Qyburn continues to show quite a penchant for necromancy and re-animating corpses – a characteristic not shared by Varys. In my view, the theory would be more cogent if it assumed that Varys had simply fled KL in ASOS.

    BTW Brianna, if you think the “Varys is a FM” theory is the craziest one out there about Varys – you are sadly mistaken πŸ˜‰

    Have a read of this: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?showtopic=28634

    IMO, this one really takes the cake. It would also probably be a fun theory to discsuss in the podcast – if only for a bit of comic relief…and it’s shorter than the last theory as well πŸ˜‰

  12. John

    Also, I forgot to add: I thought it was a bit strange that you guys didn’t discuss the ADWD update! Does anyone really think that George will get it published by September or October?

  13. mimi

    actually, we discussed his day of a billion blog updates on a previous mini-episode that hasn’t been edited yet. there is some pessimism on our end- i can’t put any faith in speculative deadlines, there’s too much heartbreak on the line. what about you?

  14. Brianna

    wow that theoy does take the cake! wow.
    I’m surprised they didn’t talk about the piolt script.
    I think mimi thinks I’m uber fangirl over her… which I am.

  15. John

    Chase did allude to the pilot script during one of the podcasts, but he didn’t go into it in any detail. Maybe the pod will talk about it in a dedicated episode so that listeners who don’t want to be spoiled can just avoid that ep altogether.

    And I’m glad you liked the theory πŸ˜‰
    It really is a classic.

  16. Brianna

    You might might be right or maybe they already did and it was never put out.

  17. Chase

    We (Mimi and me) came to the conclusion that it is far too late to devote an episode to the script discussion. There were some other issues that caused pause with some of the other members as well.

  18. Chase

    I don’t mean to drop 20 posts in these two entries, but I just read that Merling theory. The best part about it is that he’s probably serious.

  19. John

    Nightflyer (the author of the merling theory) is infamous on the Westeros forums for his crackpot theories. If you read the entire thread, you would have seen that Mormont (one of the board moderators) ended up closing the thread for “intellectual wankery” on the part of Nightflyer. You can never really tell whether Nightflyer takes his theories seriously, but obviously Mormont believes that s/he just invents them for shits and giggles.

    All of this discussion aside, the fact remains that Nightflyer’s theories are a lot of fun πŸ™‚

  20. jude

    I don’t mean to be a big doofus, but why doesn’t this link work? Am I missing something….

  21. John

    As ever, I am skeptical about George’s anticipated release dates. Especially when it seems that he is still having so much trouble completing individual chapters. I mean, just the other day he posted this on Not a Blog:

    “Me, I’m going back to DANCE. Maybe I can even finish that bloody Tyrion chapter today…”

    I reckon that if he really was 6 months away from publishing, he would be at the editing stage by now and not still finishing chapters.

    Anyway, hopefully the gap between ADWD and TWOW will be more tolerable than the AFFC/ADWD gap. For starters, the ASOIAF World Book is due to for publication during that period. And we might also have the HBO series by then…

  22. Scilens

    Harry Potter is a children’s book
    I’ll love you for saying that forever <3
    it needs to be said more often

  23. DTM

    Say what you will about Harry Potter but releasing 7 books in 10 years, not having a drop in quality, ending on a satisfying conclusion, and doing that in the face of enormous pressure. JKR executed her series about as well as humanly possible. I’d consider it fortunate if GRRM can finish off ASOIAF in a timely and satisfying manner.

  24. Scilens

    “not having a drop in quality”? “satisfying conclusion”? I’ve heard people say otherwise xD oh, well… it’s a matter of opinion. I don’t like Harry Potter, but it’s okay if people do.
    I still think it’s a children’s book :]

  25. Much agreement. Yes, Harry is aimed mainly at kids and young adults, but I still love them and JK Rowling pretty much rocked socks at both writing them well and publishing them in a timely manner.

  26. Scilens

    That’s what we Martin fans all crave, eh? publishing in a timely manner… *sigh*

  27. Ray

    What about the “Varys is a Merling” theory. You should discuss that one next.

  28. Aaron

    SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE
    KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLS
    DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBLEDORE

  29. Anonymous

    Didn’t you guys mention something in your facebook group about a mini-episode concerning other fantasy books?
    When is it due?

  30. Amy

    Daang. No more Chris? Still..he hasn’t been there for a good few episodes and it’s still been awesome. Obviously that’ll continue ;D

    Haven’t finished listening to this one yet. (Just thought the change in line-up deserved some acknowledgment.) Ep 21 gets the usual thumbs up!

  31. John

    Woah, wait a minute, Chris is really gone? The podcast line-up looks really strange now without Robin of Loxley leading his band of merry men (and women) πŸ™‚

    Any chance of him returning as a guest host in the future?

  32. Scilens

    I’m sure they’ll let him join again if he ever turns up again. maybe. I hope.

  33. mimi

    yeah, it wasn’t a negative split.
    chris just ignored the podcast’s existence for a few months and we took the hint that he’s not interested in being a part of it anymore.
    i’m sure one day if he remembers how to hit “reply” to any emails from us, we’ll be back in business with all eight hosts.

  34. oxmix

    The podcast should run a contest to propose a house name that would be the female equivelant to Manwoody.

  35. John

    No need. I think House Camel Toe would win at a gallop πŸ™‚

  36. Brian

    Can I design the sigil ?

  37. John

    Well, I suppose this would be the ready-made sigil:

    http://georgerrmartin.com/gallery/crows07.html

    but if you want to design your own, that’s fine with me πŸ˜‰

    BTW guys, I remember the pod (and especially mimi) being a bit upset in the cover art episode when there was no Japanese art for AFFC. Well, it’s been posted now, and it’s pretty awesome (although Jaime kind of looks like Gregor which is a bit scary):

    http://georgerrmartin.com/gallery/crows21a.html
    http://georgerrmartin.com/gallery/crows21b.html

  38. oxmix

    House Camel Toe is pretty good. Now how about a first name for someone from House Camel Toe to be betrothed to Dickon Manwoody?

  39. John

    Cersei Camel Toe has a ring to it. But it’s not very original.

  40. oxmix

    How about Virginia Camel Toe?

  41. Brian

    House cameltoe words ” Never shall we split hairs”

  42. oxmix

    How about “Front and Center”?

  43. John

    Some other suggestions:
    – “Though All Men Do Desire Us”
    – “Unappealing, Unclean, Unappetising”
    – “Hear me Whore!”

  44. Chase

    – The Road Warrior

    He me roar, indeed.

  45. jude

    “more importantly, do you think Quentyn will be hot?”
    Well done, mimi.
    this episode was great, and i’m loving the new format! can’t wait to start listening to the new one tomorrow. oh, and it was great to hear Amin again…and he didn’t leave early this time!

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